Chris's Crime Forum

Nicely put Just the Facts.

Thanks "Big Mama", I only have one more thing to add, and then I am going to go to the neutral corner and wait for some answers from those suffering from "Scheibe's Disease". If Rich's family is so loving and caring, and are being deprived of seeing their son's oldest daughter, one would think that they would also want to see his youngest daughter, and perhaps even help her out financially if they can. I would think that any grandparent worth a dime would want to do everything possible to insure their grandchilds happiness. Just trying to understand the thinking of the entire clan. In the mean time, I'm heading off to see the other "rich" grandparents. We are going to have champagne and caviar this afternoon, and then cruise on their newest yacht to some tropical paradise !

Your comments are quite laughable, jtf. According to the dictionary, the word neutral means: "not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy". It's quite obvious that you are far from a neutral party--as well as 99% of the rest of the posters on this board. It appears the only reason you (speaking in general terms) want anyone from the Scheibe family to respond to anything written here is to pick it apart, twist it around, and then pick it apart some more. And you wonder why they don't respond!!? I don't have any of the answers you might be looking for. And, even if I did, I wouldn't share them with you anyway, just for that reason. The only thing I will say about it, is that the Scheibe family is also grieving, for their own reasons. They're trying move on with, and rebuild, their lives now--more than I can say about some of you here.

Thanks PT62. I'm glad that Rich's family is trying to move on. I hope that his guilty plea can help expedite this process. It is unfortunate that this is happening in their lives and also unfortunate that they have waited to move on until this point in time.

The reason (I believe) that some of us on here do not believe that they really are moving on is due to a recent post where one family member allegedly said that 1) Mindi died of cancer and 2) Rich's oldest daughter's maternal grandparents tainted the witness pool because of their great wealth.

If they do not believe, at a minimum, the autopsy report on Mindi (there was no mention of cancer) they are not moving on with accepting that their son has done drastic things to negatively impact the lives of others. They are still believing that Rich is not a liar and that he is innocent of any crimes of which he has plead guilty. In my opinion, they need to start accepting that Rich tells lies and that whatever he says about Mindi's death and about the oldest daughter's maternal grandparents are likely (and always were likely) lies or at least wide tangents from the truth.

If I could say one thing to Rich - believe me I would like to say more than one thing to him - it is that he needs to stop lying to his family and those that he "loves" because it is not helping them move forward.

Just my thoughts. I wish all the best to the Scheibe family and hope that they are able to accept things and start to move on with their lives.

Just Curious PT62... do you have any examples of what has been written that isnt' true?

Greetings to all, especially my good buddy PT62. PT, if your intention was to get under my skin, congratulations. Here are some facts: "Going to the neutral corner" is a term that comes from boxing, and if you are over the age of 15 you may also have heard Steve Cannon, on WCCO radio use the term when the world famous prognosticator Morgan Mundaine would make his football predictions Cannon would say, "Take it Morgan, meanwhile I will go to the neutral corner" ! I do not blame Rich's family for Amy's death or Mindi's death. I do blame them for refusing to deal with the truth, and for still thinking that Rich is a saint. Here are some obvious differences between the two sides having to move on.
1. If Rich's family wants to visit him, they can do so. If Amy's or Mindi's families want to visit, they have to go to a cemetary.
2. Rich's family can hug and play with their nieces or nephews. Mindi's siblings were deprived of that privelage when Rich ended the unborn child's life.
3. Rich's mom can sing a song if she wishes to Rich. Amy's little girl will never again hear her mother's voice.
4. You are backing an admitted murderer. I am backing the victims.
5. You deal in lies, and accusations, I deal in "Just the Facts"
If I could say just one thing to Rich, I would hold up pictures of his two beautiful little girls, and ask him how he could take their mothers away from them, and how he could murder Amy with his oldest daughter present.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match here, but PT62 this last line really threw me. Not somthing I would of expected from you based on the previous nature of your posts.

Of course Rich's family is grieving, they are grieving the fact that their son, brother, newphew.... will spend at least the next 30 years in jail for murdering a woman. (And pretty positive it's not "a" woman but two women.) But don't be so loose lipped when you say "...more than I can say about some of you here...". Those people that you are referring to are grieving the loss of someone who is dead. Not only dead, but MURDERED. The two types of grief are completely different. You say there is no compassion for Rich's family? I'm not seeing much compassion for Amy and Mindi's coming out of your mouth. And they are the real loss!! Rich still has his life, as wrong as that is!

It's sad to say, but because of what Rich has done, his family will be judged the rest of their lives for it.

Well put Buttercup, thank you !

Although Homer pretty much answered all your most recent questions for me in his/her last two posts, I'll try to explain it to you in something you might understand a little better. (Sorry, Homer...I enjoy your style, and I hope I don't offend ) If, for nothing else, it'll keep you reading and posting for a few more days.




When I refer to "the family", I am talking only about Rich's siblings and parents (I've never met anyone beyond that). Since no one mentioned any names (and I don't expect them to), I can almost certainly say that whatever family member who stated this was NOT part of the immediate family. Be that as it may, whoever this family member is who said this, is obviously misinformed. Even as just friends of the immediate family, WE were told by them that she died of other causes (those mentioned in the autopsy report). I can't comment on the tainted witness pool because I heard no such thing (but, what I mean by twisting it around, is that some mentioned tainting the witness pool, then someone else mentions it as all inclusive--that they paid off ALL the witnesses, or whatever it was implied to mean). And, if anyone with a half a logical brain can believe this information and run with it enough to repeat it, then it's just gossip and making it worse. Shouldn't the immediate recipient of this misinformation just go ahead and correct the informant, based on facts that the listener already knows, and let it go at that? It doesn't make the person a liar...they are only ignorant of the facts. You can't lie about something you don't know about.

Just one more that I can immediately recall, in addition to that above. Anything that isn't FACT is considered untrue. NO ONE knows as a fact that Rich had anything to do with Mindi's death--and probably never will, from what I understand. And, unless--and until--I see all the facts otherwise, then my opinion is, that's a pretty big untruth. I'm not saying he didn't have anything to do with it, I'm just saying that it's not true until proven otherwise.



Again, you're lumping all of them into one group. Have you spoken to each and every one of them to get their opinions and conclusions?..........nah, probably not. Neither have I, so I don't have any authority to comment any further than that.

Your post on Oct 16th, stated something about a million dollars--if you're dealing in "just the facts" then it certainly must be true, therefore the statement about the tainted jury pool must be true, too. And, now that you mention it, was it the JURY pool, or the WITNESS pool? I've seen it mentioned both ways in previous posts...must keep our facts straight, ya know.

A long time ago, when I first started posting here, I believe I mentioned that I was sorry for their loss. However, I'm not going to go through multiple pages of posts to quote myself, and I also don't feel that I have to repeatedly mention it. But, just to clarify, I DO sympathize with the victim's family. I know what it's like to lose a close family member by an untimely death. Of course I feel compassion for them.

And, I'm sad that you feel that way. Rich has his own mind, and made his own decisions. The rest of the family had nothing to do with those decisions (unless, of course, you know for a fact, that someone in the family whispered in his ear, so to speak, to pull the trigger, and I highly doubt that). Have any of you ever considered that his family may have been equally deceived? I know that my husband and I were certainly shocked to read about what we learned here, knowing the family as we do. One more time (and, hopefully, the last)...lumping them all into the same category, believing that all are bad because of one person's bad behavior. And, if that's the case, then I must be a bad person, too, just by association--which in turn, makes you a bad person because you're "having a conversation" with me. Would I become one of the good guys if I tell you that I think he's guilty, too? Or am I still condemned because I dared to offer a different view?

I think you misunderstood what I said when I said Rich's family will be judged the rest of their lives for this. I did NOT say that "I" am judging them. "I" am not. I put no blame on the family at all. I have empathy for what they are going thru. I cannot even begin to imagine. But unfortunately, they will be judged by others the rest of their lives. That is the way the world is. The guy that lives down the street from Rich's parents, every time they drive by the house they will think, "That is the family who's son murdered a woman". And unfortunately, Rich's parents will be looked at differently for the rest of their lives because of Rich. That is simply all I was stating.

I think it's mentioned over and over again that yes, Rich's family has been equally decieved. That is where, I believe, some of the frustration comes from. From what I've read on this blog, some posters do feel Rich's family has been deceived and don't realize it. I don't know. Just posting what I get from all this.

WOW... you have certainly blown this totally out of context.